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MTS Movie Night #2 - posted on 10th Aug 2017 at 2:58 PM
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#1 Old 11th Aug 2017 at 8:09 PM Last edited by gazania : 11th Aug 2017 at 9:44 PM.
Default We Now Return to "Can this Lot be Saved"?
OK, OK. I'm not going to actually get rid of the lot. I like it, even if it's flawed, and plan to use it in my game. But should this lot be saved here? Uploaded? Or should it remain a curiosity in my game, and we will speak no more of it?

When last we left, I had posted something in the other building forum about weird sinking tiles. I fixed that by re-structuring the lot. (Complete Rebuild #1) That was Revision (counts on fingers) three or so? I'm up to ten, and these revisions here may push it to twelve, fourteen or more by the time everyone is done.

Some bits and pieces:
  • Personal challenge here ... no more than eight CC items. Preferably six. I love CC, and would like to use it, but I know whenever I see a lot with three dozen CC items, I get glassy-eyed and don't upload it. And listing line after line of links could be exhausting both for me and anyone else who wants to upload this. Also, if I go away from MTS or Sims FileShare, we run the risk of dead links if we get too long with them.
  • I like small lots, and I cannot lie.
  • I'd rather not expand the building. The foundation has been sunk and the ceiling has been dummied. Unless there is a pressing reason to go into Complete Rebuild #3 (I had to do #2 when I packaged a lot while half-asleep and realized, "Oh, crap! Did I play that lot?" [Buzzer sound] Time for another rebuild) I moved the lot to one side while I was at it.
  • You'll be seeing stuff moving around as I upload pictures. I'm playing "this or that?" with certain aesthetics. If you think to yourself. "Ah! I see what she's doing, but I like the previous version better, or she might want to use THIS Maxis item instead", please tell me. Things can get fuzzy when you go into Revision 11.
  • This particular lot has NOT been played. I even named it DO NOT PLAY THIS in case I get some half-asleep notions again. Any play-testing has been done on my PLAY THIS ONE copy.
  • Some of you folks might have seen my entries on the Community Spirit contest. I tend to use sedate colors. Well this time, darn it, I'm just not in the mood. I want big! Bold! Primary colors!
  • What is the lot? I'm between two things: a specialized store selling wooden toys, or a Gymboree-type of place. I'm leaning toward the latter, but that would mean more mods. Justpetro already did a fine store, so I'm reluctant to step on toes. But first, I just want to get the building sorted.

Time for Episode 1: She's (dramatic gasp) Wearing the Same Dress!

When this happens in real life, I compliment people for their good taste. But really, this shouldn't happen on MTS!

Here was the lot where I last left it before The Dress Incident:



Needed more work, but I thought I was about 80% there.

Problem? When I saw Joandsarah77's post here: http://www.modthesims.info/showthre...590#post5254590, #36, I gasped. Our lots look way too similar! Blue wall, yellow brick. So I set out to make my lot somewhat different.

The yellow part is easy. Just use the siding. The floor plan that inspired me has siding, so no biggie. The red accents ... I don't see any problem, It's the blue paint. First, I tried that bright blue Maxis paint:



I tried custom CC paints, but very few of them are actually a true dark or medium solid blue. They tend to be muddied or a lighter blue. The Poppet color action "Cannonball" is a nice blue, and I considered that, but I think a darker blue would bring out the decal. I spent hours looking for just that right shade of blue, without molding or white grout. There aren't many darker true blue(jewel-tone) walls. Trust me on this one. Also, I'd have to count that as a piece of CC, and I'd rather use the six for items.

Then I saw the Maxis witchy blue wall, Eureka! I think? It's still vivid, but a little more gentler on the eyeballs, I think:



But (cue organ music) is this different enough from joandsarah77's lot? And are people still shielding their eyes?

Episode 2 ... Up on the Roof

Then there is the roof edging. I'm just itchin' to get the ailias ones I like so much, but I'm still keeping to that 6 - 8 list for as long as possible, and there are just so many cool toddler CC toys. It will be hard enough to limit THOSE to six. I'd rather not use the molding that joandsarah77 used because I'm trying to make this lot as different as possible, I tried the space-agey Maxis one, but facing out, it just looked clunky to me. When I accidentally put it on backwards, though, I thought it didn't look so bad. However, the simple, thin edging appeals more to me. Which one?



Episode 3 ... Walk this Way

Sidewalk/Tiled walk ... good as is? Extend? Contract?

Episode 4 ... Flowers in the Rain

What to do about the flowers? Flowers help brighten up the place. But it might already be bright enough! Bed daisies with railroad ties?

I had a combo originally (The first picture dates from before I switched out the bricks), but am leaning more toward the last version. It might be a little plain, though ....



Other comments are great too, of course. Please don't be too cruel.

Next post: the interior and the purpose of the lot (cues exit organ music)

NOTE:

There is neon around the "windows". I might want to switch out the lights inside the "showcase" though. They're quite ... red. Or ... not. I kind of like the reddish glow, now that I'm looking at it. (Quick in-game screenshot. I need to get off the machine. But I like neon. Can you tell?)



Oh ... and can this lot be saved?

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#2 Old 11th Aug 2017 at 8:25 PM
As I see it - it is a lovely lot and worth uploading. Some may like you lot, some may prefer Jo's, some my use both of them in different hoods - it really is not something that should bother you.

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#3 Old 11th Aug 2017 at 11:33 PM Last edited by joandsarah77 : 11th Aug 2017 at 11:50 PM.
Gazania is this the lot you pm'd me about? It's nothing like mine! Don't worry. Those of us using mostly maxis only have so many childish colours and items to use so of course we are going to often pick the same ones. Yours is a gymboree and mine is a day care. Your building is nothing like mine and our play ground is quite different. Mine is a much bigger lot with a longer building.

I will go take a couple of pictures to show you-if I can get it to work, my monitor died last night (RIP long time square monitor of 10 years!) Now I have this strange skinny rectangle in front of me, so if my photos looked stretched that will be why. I should not complain we were given this for free.

Edit: if you wanted to use the yellow brick do so. Please don't change yours because of mine.
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#4 Old 11th Aug 2017 at 11:52 PM
I really like what you have there, Gazania! It looks nothing like Jo's. Keep going I say!

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#5 Old 11th Aug 2017 at 11:54 PM
Just chiming in to agree. It's got a similar color scheme, that's it Lots of lots have similar color schemes. In real life even! Don't throw it out just because Jo's lot happens to be the same colors. Like Jo said, Maxis only gives us so much.

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#6 Old 12th Aug 2017 at 12:19 AM
I think you just ran out of excuses

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#7 Old 12th Aug 2017 at 2:54 AM Last edited by gazania : 13th Aug 2017 at 2:50 PM.
Thank you ... nice to know it doesn't stink at least. After many bleary hours and two complete rebuilds, I start wondering.

I'll probably go with yellow siding, plain roof edging, leaving in the red lights, keeping the plainer version of the flowers, and keeping the sidewalk as is .... for now. There will be tweaking ahead, I'm sure. I have lots of time to tweak

Part 2 is coming up, though, and it's a doozy ... what IS this place?

(Cues dramatic soap opera organ music) This place, situated in the middle of Vanilla Hood (yes, that's the name, though with a family in there, I guess it's not very vanilla), is a place in need of an identity. There are a few options:

A Gymboree with physical activity only
A Gymboree with physical, art and music activity
A store selling specialty toys. I was thinking of some type of local craftsperson selling rocking horses and the two wooden Maxis toys. But there are other toddler toys out there I can add that are as cute as cute can be!

Here is the shell of the place:



It's a pretty basic layout, but flexible. I can move walls a little to accommodate activities, move doors and windows, etc., switch rooms.

First of all, I'm using "Gymboree" rather loosely. Here in the states, it's a place for toddlers to play and do a little educational stuff in the process. It differs a little from a daycare in that parents can be with the child in many classes. I'm also blending this community center with programs such as family-fun events, what used to be called Mommy/Daddy and me classes (but grandparents, caretakers and siblings can participate, so that's really not exactly accurate).

I would like not only activities for toddlers, but for non-toddlers as well. Why should toddlers have all the fun?

Option one ... Just physical activities.

Advantage ... can put in a parenting room. This might encourage Sims to stay longer.

Disadvantage ... Kind of ... a little disappointing. Sophie-David did a splendid job with the Flamingo of Dance, but Sims keep flooding into the dance room, crowding out the toddlers. Yes, Visitor Controller can ban many of their butts, but Maxis doesn't let you do much with toddlers concerning physical activity (and that would add one more CC item to my list). Also, while the parenting room is nice, do Sims really need one for one- or two- Sim hour classes? In this and the next example, there is also a room for napping and quiet play. There is an administrative office, two bathrooms with usable changing tables, and benches and chairs throughout for tired Sims.

Sim toddlers keep climbing off the rocking horses, though they'll stay in the bouncers. But they will stay on the horses for a little while.

This is from Revision #4, which led to Re-build #2 because I feared I played this lot, and many things changed since that build. But it will give you a rough layout of a toddler-gym only situation.



CC

Toddlers can visit community lots .... you need a second mod for this as well.
Sims trampoline
Honeywell rocking horses
Baby-changing table
Flamingo of Dance
Toddler Bouncer
Phaenoh toddler mats

Total: 8

Option two ... A mix of activities

This is more in line with a Gymboree/Family fun center. One room is for music, one for art, one for physical activity, and one is for quiet play. Toddlers and their family and friends have a whole bunch of things to do. That is a big advantage. I like lots with a number of things to do.

The disadvantage is ... there may be no room for the parenting room. I had to shift rooms (because having a music room near the quiet play area didn't sound like a good idea), and needed the space for the music room. I hope someone won't mind .... It might be possible to get rid of one bathroom and put a very basic parenting room in there, though. Move the music room to the bathroom area on the left, stick the parenting room back in its original spot, albeit a little smaller. Is one bathroom enough, though?

This is my current layout in my "Play This Lot" test lot. If I go with the Gymboree/Family Fun Center option, I like this one better than the physical-exercise only rooms. Initial routing seems good. A toddler can fit on the horse near the wall without stompies. I might put the Maxis block toy with the art table. There is space for it, I believe.



Also, free coffee and hot chocolate! There is a door from the outside to the music room. I'm not overly crazy about it, but I'm not sure what to do with the right side of the lot. The sidewalk on the right side is a little too tight to do much with it. I could also make an entranceway to the art area instead. It was a problem when the area was a toddler dance studio, but I might be able to work with the door if it's an art area.

CC

Toddlers can visit community lots/separate mod
Sims toddler bouncers
Sims trampolines
That adorable toddler piano on this site.
Baby changing table
Honeywell rocking horses
Phaenoh toddler mats

Total: 8

Option three (not pictured, because I didn't make one yet) ... a store. This one would focus on Sim-crafted items ... rocking horses, the block toy, the xylophone. Perhaps furniture, since I would need more things to sell, as long as it's wooden. The outside can be a nice advertisement for a store with toys in the top "showcases". The shop owner would have samples, of course, for toddlers to test out.

CC

Changing table
Toddlers visit community lots mod
Four to six CC toys ... my pick

Advantage: It's roomy enough for a store!
Disadvantage: I tend to like community lots with things for Sims of all ages to do. Also, this comes way, way too close to justpetro's idea, and I'd rather not do that. Even if there are a few activities in common, mine wouldn't be a daycare, so it shouldn't be too similar to joandsarah77's lot.

My personal pick is Option 2. Ideas, please?

(Cue dramatic soap opera music)

The final segment ... the overall lot and any tiny details.

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#8 Old 14th Aug 2017 at 2:09 PM
I would do it as a Gymboree/Family Fun Center. If you want more room for your activity table turn it on an angle.

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#9 Old 15th Aug 2017 at 4:17 PM
I love the idea of a family fun centre with special activities for toddlers - I really don't think there are many of them.

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#10 Old 19th Aug 2017 at 11:02 AM Last edited by gazania : 19th Aug 2017 at 11:32 AM.
Well, the game does present limits with the Gymboree/Family Fun Center (I need to think of a cutesie name for it ... Something Something Family Fun Center. Or Fun for Tots Center. Or something. Or call that bear thing in front of the place something and make it a mascot.) Anyway, I will have to work with the limits I have. I still am trying to make the CC list no more than eight items, including the toddler visiting community lots mod.

i have cleaned references and orb-ed the lot twice, packaged it, put it in a fresh hood with NSL in the lot, and am still tweaking it. Nearly forgot the second mod needed to make NSL work, but that's in now, too, and it was put in before I played any lot. No SocialDownloadTest in the three or four logs I've generated for it. That's good. Very good.

One thing, though ... unless I rebuild part of the building again, it looks like I'll have to live with the roofing I have. I cannot change any roofing near the "windows", unless I re-do the dummy floor for the third or fourth time. Good thing the roofing isn't all that bad. I could have used a really obnoxious tile that clashed with the building.

I'm encountering something slightly annoying. Not that annoying ... just a minor irritant or two.

Here is what I have so far. I think I'm up to Version 12. Pictures below.

First of all, it appears I have a de facto parenting area after all. Well, part of it is a quiet play/reading/napping area, but if I remember the contest, I have most of the requirements. I notice, though, that the parents cannot get a bottle for the toddler unless the toddler is really hungry. I hope that's normal. I tried a couple of fridges. I already know that parents can't get bottles out of the smallest one. I could leave the fridge out, though. The small white table outside the room is necessary if I keep the fridge; otherwise, Sims leave their beverages on the floor. How rude!

Secondly, I originally had a coffee and hot chocolate station in the hall, but that doesn't seem logical. The aquarium tank looks nice in the hallway, and fish is the one animal you can put on a community lot that the toddlers will look at. I'd rather not put a bird in there since the bird is an NPC, and Sim toddlers don't seem to care much about the womrat.

However, unless I use a mod that keeps fish in the tank or figure out some cheat (much like the perpetually-growing community garden), a Sim has to restock the tank every time. The mod is http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=314002. I'm gathering not that many people seem to know much about it. Since a Sim can restock the tank for 300 Simoleons, it is not an essential mod, so it won't be in my CC list. I'd rather not suggest a mod I haven't tested thoroughly over a long period of time. Sometimes, you don't see conflicts until weeks later. I'm not sure if I'd even want it for my game, since it does involve futzing around in Sim PE to make it work for custom tanks, and I have a few. But looking at it again in Sim PE, it looks like I simply have to change two group numbers ... I think. The original creator is no longer on MTS. But I digress.

Something should go there if it's not an aquarium, I think; preferably something for toddlers. I haven't figured that part out yet.

I do think, though, that good or bad, I should submit this soon!
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#11 Old 19th Aug 2017 at 1:39 PM
I will put some kind of edge around the roof (pediment or half wall or something) - even if it does not go on the front edge, it can go a bit behind that.

The trampolines may work better outside - every sim tends to go for them at once in my game Although they look good where they are, it may be easier to play the lot when they are outside.

I would also like a BBQ with a couple of outdoor dining tables. The parents will get hungry too.

Looking good

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#12 Old 19th Aug 2017 at 5:30 PM Last edited by gazania : 20th Aug 2017 at 12:53 AM.
I'm kind of undecided about the trampolines ... I was since I first put them there. . The idea is that the parent bounces while the toddlers also bounce in the same room. However, in the game, the older Sims do somersaults, which would be really dangerous in a small space, and would probably knock them against the wall in real life. That would leave the need to put something in the room that would encourage adults to move. That room has to do with movement. Each room has something for both older AND toddler Sims to do. The radio could work, of course, but I have one in the music-making room, and two radios at the same time can be jarring. I would then want something in the music room for older Sims if I removed the radio. Something musical, of course. I had the microphone in it and only one xylophone in Version 10. That could work, but those poor napping tots! Those walls had better be soundproof!

Of course, there are some great custom instruments, such as bongos and the Castaway drum. I use those in my good game constantly, and Sims love, love, love that drum. They can't stay away from it. But those may need the Atavera fix, and that would be two extra CC items/mods. Six was difficult for me, eight isn't easy, KEEPING it at eight is still hard! If I were to post my normal lots on here, those have really long CC lists. Keep this up, and I'll be at "a dozen CC items or fewer"! And oh, can it easily climb up to that!

That pediment will drive me to utter distraction! I had the Space-Age one up there reversed ... that was the one I thought a good compromise between not enough and clunky that would also fit my modern design. In one revision, I also had the plain-ish Maxis one around Revision 9 or so. Originally, when I thought my building was too close to jo's, I decided against it because the idea is to make it as dissimilar to jo's lot as possible. The really low one isn't quite enough, I admit (looking longingly at the AIlias or the Michelle CC ones here that I use about 90% of the time on modern buildings. Yup. I could hit a dozen CC items in no time flat!). Now that we've seen both buildings, however, while the color schemes are similar, the design really is not even close. I could give that plain Maxis one a look-over again, too.

A grill was even in another revision, complete with concealed smoke alarm. (Revision 6? 7? Really ... those earlier ones are a blur now! ) Space could be an issue, since there should be tables and a counter as well. I'm also trying not to encourage Sims to use that fridge unless it's for drinks and light snacks, because Sims keep barging into the quiet play area to stuff their faces. But I'll keep that in mind. In still ANOTHER revision (please don't ask me which one that was! I think it was after 6!), I had the snack machine on the stair area on the right side. At least one juice or snack vending machine, I think, could work again, and I can easily squeeze one on that mostly-unused side, but those sodas and snacks aren't very healthy! Tsk, tsk, you Sims. Must be nice to be in a world with no tooth decay, and you can work off the calories in less than a day! We could pretend, though, those are healthy vending machines. OK, that's stretching things, but ... I do like the "return of the snack machine" idea.

Besides the aquarium, I'm also having some questions about that blank area where the Myushino game is now. That blank area needs ... something. A fountain would be a great alternative, but I remember back when my kids were small, they would make every effort to touch the water. I saw a very young child dressed oh-so-nicely in real life a week or so ago, and when the automatic sprinklers accidentally went off, that was far, far too tempting. She was one soaked kid by the time Dad got to her! I liked the interactivity of the Myushino game, though. It's always great Sims catnip. I may keep that in there.


EDIT ....

Put the hot chocolate-making machine back in there, anyway. The extra counter allows Sims to prepare cereals and lunch meat sandwiches from the fridge. Plus, there is a snack vending machine outside. Hopefully, no Sims dying from starvation here! I might move the sink, though, and put the coffee-maker back in there. A sink in the open area can pose too tempting a quick bathing opportunity for a stinky Sim, and I'd rather not have the Sim stand naked in the hallway. There are bathroom sinks, if needed.

I might want to slip in a table somewhere, if I can fit it. Sims seem to enjoy leaving their dishes on the floor! They do pick them up eventually, though. I might leave it out.

Right now, it's back to a plain Maxis roof edging. I'm not 100% feeling it, though. I'm still wondering if the space-age one, reversed, might match the building better. I did not like the space-age edging with the good side out.

Put in some more plants, statues, lights and pictures. Despite the lights I already have, it still was pretty dark out there! Got a smaller fish tank (Sims, you should be able to spare 55 Simoleons!).

The radio is in the motion room, and the microphone is back in the sound room. Sims love both, it seems. Trampolines are outside.

I'm looking at this later. My body is begging for a nap.

Pics later as well.

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#13 Old 20th Aug 2017 at 1:44 AM
Well my lot is called Jack and Jill Daycare (so heads up on the name although I highly doubt we would have thought of the same one!) and I amaiting on one of gadayrs toddler car before I upload it since I plan to use it outside in the playground.

You might like this little blow up bounce on gazania. Its on my magic island lot but I am having trouble with the site right now.

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#14 Old 21st Aug 2017 at 10:08 AM Last edited by gazania : 21st Aug 2017 at 7:52 PM.
Sigh. My struggles with the roof edging trudge on.

When we last left off, I had this:



This had the simple slim Maxis fencing. I have to admit ... I am really tempted to go to 9 CC items and use the Ailiias edging. But I will try to resist.

Then I put this edging on:



This is one of the simpler Maxis fencings/edgings, but I'm just not feeling it. It seems clunky with this building.

Then I put my second choice on;



I just don't like the dotty things facing out on the edging here, so I reversed it. I like the black and red version better than the all-white version.

And then there was this.



At least this last version fixed the roof color problem. And yes, this picture has grid-itis. Sorry. But it's it's pretty late here, and I'm starting to zone out.

Gazania needs more sleep. Lots more. Good night/morning.

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#15 Old 21st Aug 2017 at 10:23 AM
I normally use the white one lower concrete one.

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#16 Old 21st Aug 2017 at 5:44 PM
I actually like the last one. Looks nice with the colors, rounds it off well, but not chunky.

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#17 Old 21st Aug 2017 at 8:00 PM Last edited by gazania : 21st Aug 2017 at 8:12 PM.
I'm thinking that as well. The red-edged half-wall brings out red highlights, and indenting the roof areas and highlighting the columns brings a sort of depth. The "showcases" actually stick out. Literally stick out on top and bottom on three sides of the building. The back showcase is only the top, though, since I needed the space below.

I've can now sneak lights (the flat floor lamps) on top of the showcases as well, and they really light things up. No more dim lighting problems. That blue strip on the top in the front is begging for me to put ... something ... in there, but what, I haven't figured out. But I could leave it as is as well. I have the space-age fence on top of the neon strips, by the way, and I think than can work, too. It provides a clear line between the strips and the rest of the building. Maybe I should design more when I'm half-asleep and semi-delirious.

My daughter, who previously favored #1, also said she liked the last one the best.

if that concrete part was a deep dark color, that would have worked really, really well with the very bright primary colors, I think, and I would have used that straight-off. But although there are many CC roof edgings in darker colors, Maxis doesn't offer as many. The reverse space-age one has the right idea with the darker colors and a good width, but ... I dunno ... it doesn't speak to me. When I look at it, I think "almost". But I don't want "almost."

By the way, I know that trying a half-wall pediment was your suggestion, justpetro. Thanks!

At this rate, this is going to take as long as the community lot! I'm toying with a deep blue wall and the Maxis fish behind the fish tank as a makeshift art piece, but I'll see about that. It might be TOO glaring. I had put the mike and speaker the wrong way in the music room, and had the Sim singing in full voice at the wall. That was NOT the desired effect! And that is why we play-test ...

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#18 Old 21st Aug 2017 at 11:14 PM
Get some sleep Your lot is looking really good, and the color scheme is perfect.

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